User talk:Caprotti

Welcome on IMSLP. I see you have uploaded your first file; Image:IMSLP08505-Heller - Op.100 - Zweite Canzonetta.pdf.pdf, but the correct filename should be . So remove the IMSLP08505- and only one .pdf. --Peter _talk 10:32, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

The other uploads are also not working. The filename need to be EXACTLY as they are on IMSLP(copy-paste), but no "Image:"; no "IMSLP-". Hold on, I will look into an easier way! --Peter _talk 11:11, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Welcome to IMSLP, Caprotti. May I ask why you are replacing files we already have instead of adding new files? Moreover, the PDFs you have submitted fail to open completely when I attempt to inspect them, which suggests there may be a defect in their format. We are fine with having more than one scan of the same edition for any given work, so don't feel you must replace what we have. We do try to avoid having identical copies of the same file, that's all.

UPDATE: Peter has forwarded a copy of your earlier message to him, which clarified what is going on here. Under Canadian and US law, there is no copyright or trademark in a watermark or stamp placed by a publicly-funded library or archive upon a scan of a public domain work. However, we do understand your reasons for wishing to clean the files of these, as other countries might have different view on the protectability of such a scan. In light of the large number of files here that are scans done by you, it would probably be best if we set up a special project to replace the files rather than having you replace them one by one. Another issue that arises when you replace a particular file is that the copyright tagging automatically reverts to "unknown" when it is replaced. Perhaps the best thing you could do for now would be to go though the library and edit each page where a scan of yours is present to list yourself as the scanner. That way, after things are up a while, it might even be possible to write a script that would replace all the files in a single operation that were tagged Scanner=Caprotti. I changed the scanner credit on Rubinstein's "Piano Concerto No.3" page to show an example you. Does this seem like a good idea to you? Carolus, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Contents 1 your new version of Piano Sonata No.2, Op.20 (Rubinstein, Anton) 2 Ravina additions 3 Google scores 4 Files 5 Symphonic Poem No.5, Prometheus, S.99 (Liszt, Franz) 6 Stephen Heller uploads 7 Vocal Scores 8 Clementi 9 Schumann 10 Louis Winkler 11 Hasse Nitteti Score 12 Hasse Didone Abbandonata Score 13 Correct Grammar 14 Brahms - German Requiem piano arrangement 15 Mascagni: Cavalleria 16 replacement of Bülow old scan 17 Google scans 18 ... ok... 19 SBB downloads 20 ten Brink 21 Rheinberger op166 22 modifying the main page of a new score 23 cello sonata no4 actually 24 Omroep 25 Use of "Restricted" in copyright field 26 Russian State Library 27 Arrangers and Copyright 28 Uploads published by Enoch or Durand 29 La donna del lago 30 ThULB links 31 Busoni Divertissement 32 Manuscript scores and copyright 33 Omroep 34 don't know why you blanked 35 PPNs for SBB 36 Page move

your new version of Piano Sonata No.2, Op.20 (Rubinstein, Anton)

Your new version is of lower quality than the original one (lower resolution). Therefore, we're sorry to have cancelled your new version and reverted to the original. Please only upload new versions that have the same quality as the original one. --Peter _talk 06:34, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

It seems strange that the new version has a lower resolution, because it starts exactly from the version already posted, leaving out only the watermarks of the Library. What do you mean exactly by resolution? I can of course rescan the original even to 600 dpi, is this that you mean?

Maybe it's not the resolution, but the compression. You can compare them by looking at the different versions . The old one is 2,2 MB, your new version 1,3 MB. The other files you uploaded, however, were successful and didn't have this problem!--Peter _talk 10:32, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Ravina additions

Hello Caprotti, The "O" in opus is always capitalized in title listings. Title format in English (the primary laguage of this site) is like this: "Title of the Piece for Piano, Op.123" Also, please note that using angular brackets is useless in the publisher field. For the F. Lucca titles (which you seem to be posting a fair number of), simply use the following format to save the copyright reviewers time: Milan: F. Lucca, n.d.(before 1891), plate 12345. Thanks, Carolus 17:48, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Google scores

Dear Caprotti, You will have to remove all of the Google logos from these scores before posting them at IMSLP. It's very much like the CD Sheet Music scores. While the original scores and the scans are public domain, reproducing a trademark or corporate logo is not permissible. They placed their logo on every single page, which means you must open the file and remove it from every single page. Carolus 18:26, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Files

Caprotti, the link to the Image page (on the IMSLP # ) is back so that uploading of new versions is again possible. Remember that files of lesser quality than the original will be removed. May I also draw your attention that you try to fill in as much information as possible in the Publisher field? For your information, here follows an automatic message. Thanks, Peter _talk 09:02, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Symphonic Poem No.5, Prometheus, S.99 (Liszt, Franz)

pages 16-23 are missing here. regards, --Peter _talk 10:44, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I'll try to see if the Munchen site still has Prometheus available and check for the missing pages. I didn't upload Mazeppa for the same reason (missing pages). As for further specifications to the publisher infos, I'll add plate numbers to my new uploads. Those related to Breitkopf Liszt Series are not very useful, and I didn't edit those.

Oh, that is a pitty. Their scanning robot apparently flipped some pages then. (Btw have you seen it on their website, the robot's really amazing). For the Liszt-Stifung edition, we have a template (see here) if you would be interested. I already edited some of them. Plate numbers and dates are always useful and necessary, not because it looks good, but most importantly for determining the correct copyright status. --Peter _talk 15:27, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I checked yesterday the situation for the Liszt. The difficult-to-find Liszt edition page in the bavarian site has been completely changed and now contains only 4 scores. I guess they have realized that all the scores previously posted (I downloaded about 20 volumes of the so-called 'Carl-Alexander Ausgabe') had some minor or big problems and I hope they are fixing all the missing pages and other errors.

Yes I noticed that too, however some are still in the search index. Do you use a script for downloading the images? I use a downloadmanager, but manually for each page which is a pain. Peter _talk 05:44, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

I use Flashget which should be a free software. It's very simple to use, with a download manager 'group' feature that allows to get automatically a range of jpgs giving strat and end numbers (you get the addresses only with Firefox, since Explorer doesn't give a picture address). Then I collect everything with Acrobat. Very easy and quick !

Stephen Heller uploads

Dear Caprotti,

the two files of Heller's Caprices (the Halevy Brillante Op. 38 and the Mendelssohn theme Op. 76) you uploaded are ostensibly the same as the ones that are already there, except with higher compression (= not necessarily good) and the LC logo (= double not good) and also, you've caused the CR team extra work because replacing files prevents them from being downloaded again until they have passed a review (= triple not good). Please bear in general, we do not permit scans with logos or trademarks without specific permissions. Please have a read of the contributors pages and your talk page above if you are in doubt! (E-mail sent to you as well, FYI) Regards, Philip Legge _{♇ @ © talk} 06:46, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Or rather, I was going to send you an e-mail...

This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users.

Please respond. Regards, Philip Legge _{♇ @ © talk} 06:48, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

It's Caprotti's own logo since he is the original scanner of the scores. Therefore it is permissible! Hobbypianist 16:36, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

That may be so (and I did consider that the logo might be a book plate or ex libris stamp). It simply isn't evident prima facie that "LC" and "Caprotti" are one and the same, there's a lot of people or institutions that could be "LC". Regards, Philip Legge _{♇ @ © talk}

Vocal Scores

Thank you for your Verdi vocal score uploads! They are wonderful additions!
Now for the full scores...Snailey _{Yell at me} 11:10, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Clementi

Hello Caprotti, Who is the editor is the Ricordi edition you posted, and when was it fist published? The editor in this case has realized all of the ornamention, which moves us into a different category than a simple urtext edition. We need the dates and editor info to determine the copyright status. Thanks, Carolus 18:31, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I have added the requested informations: The Sonatinas were edited by Ernesto Marciano in 1925 [as Sonatinas opp.37,38] The Ricordi plate number is 623

Schumann

Thanks so much for your Schumann submissions! In the future, please use the template SchumannComplete, as detailed on Robert Alexander Schumann - Complete Works Edition -- Snailey _{Yell at me Email me} 17:54, 28 February 2009 (EST)

Louis Winkler

Thanks for these nice transcriptions. Do you have dates for Louis Winkler? I can't seem to find any.-- Snailey _{Yell at me Email me} 18:16, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

Hasse Nitteti Score

I love the fantastic Nitteti (Hasse) score you uploaded. However, it seems to be missing Act Two. Is it possible to upload that act as well? I would greatly appreciate it!

The Biblioteca Marciana on Venice has only that volume.

Hasse Didone Abbandonata Score

Dear Caprotti, I would very much like to see your scan of Didone Abbandonata, but when I click on the link, it leads to Demofonte. Please advise. Thanks, Bev bmwilcox

Problem fixed

Correct Grammar

Dear Caprotti, please use correct grammar in your titles. I find it very degrading that you did not capitalise "opus" as in "20 Preludes, Op.150," nor did you insert a comma between "preludes" and "op." I've fixed all of your errors; just remember to use correct grammar next time. :) ClassicalComposers 02:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I understand your reasons but it seems to me that the respect of so many rules risks to avoid or to slow down the upload of rare scores ...

Brahms - German Requiem piano arrangement

Hello,

While I appreciate your efforts to provide a copy of the Brahms German Requiem in a piano solo arrangement by Kirchner, the reproduction is of such poor quality as to render it nearly unreadable, and therefore unusable. Is it possible to re-scan it with a higher quality setting? Thanks

Mascagni: Cavalleria

Hello Caprotti,

Thanks for the missing pages!! I merged them in with the file uploaded by Massenetique - which is now complete thanks to your kind help - and will go ahead and delete the file of the two missing pages. Regards, Carolus 21:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

replacement of Bülow old scan

that was a very old scan of mine (more or less 2002); I have repalced it with a cleaned copy since all the scans bearing Milano Conservatorio marks are virtually illegal (see their site at http://www.consmilano.it/index.php?id=biblioteca_digitale ,particularly the note at bottom page)

Google scans

Hi Caprotti! Unfortunately, these will have to be deleted, because the Google logo (protected by trademark law) is present on every page. Unless you can find a way to remove them (I would recommend asking Carolus if you're not sure how), the files cannot appear at IMSLP. Sorry, KGill _{talk email} 15:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

... ok...

first, would you please sign your talk posts? had to go here and there and to answer your question ... and then had to find your talk page too.

I did not get the Kalkbrenner from the Bavarian library of Munich BSB, I got it from the Stabikat library of Berlin SBB. I even have two or more feeds for SBB that I got from their website (out of many that they provide), Musiknoten and Musikhandschriften (scores and manuscripts). Anyhow, when it showed up on the Musiknoten feed (I think that is the link- easily fixed from their site though, can do so later today- too sleepy!!!!), I had a look, downloaded it, processed it since SBB files are much too dense per page for use, and uploaded it. not sure what your question is. Some good stuff has been appearing on the BSB feeds too lately but I haven't really looked at most of it- though they do have lots of Kalkbrenner there too that we haven't downloaded yet, if I remember. Eric 08:56, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

SBB downloads

Hallo Caprotti, Have seen your recent Kalkbrenner downloads from SBB Berlin, and the response from piupianissimo. Apparently you created pdf from jpg's. Since SBB hides the options for downloads pretty well, the following hints in case you have not noticed yet:
There is a button "Werkzeugkasten", and if you open it and click on the red pdf icon you get to a page with download options. These are huge files with 4000 pixel color scans (=400 dpi for the full size page). If you just save individual pages (even at highest resolution display) you only get about 1000 pixel color scans (100dpi for full size pages). That is very different from SLUB or the new scans at the Badische Landesbibliothek Karlsruhe, where you get the best scans by saving individual pages.
If you ever need copies of works 1850 and newer let me know, because do-it-yourself photocopies are only 5.5 cent per page, and from this summer there will be a do-it-yourself scanner too.--Kalliwoda 15:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't make a download of each jpg (as it was necessay for the bavarian library years ago) but I used the 'pdf button'; I keep for myself the big size pdf and upload to IMSLP a reduced version obtained thru Acrobat 10 and indicating a compatibilty with Acrobat 6 for reduction. It seems that the final product is good (and the size reduced dramatically)

ten Brink

neat, i remember uploading the op.7 concerto (though I haven't skimmed the violin/piano score in awhile and I've never heard of him otherwise). How many did he write :) ... Eric 05:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Rheinberger op166

hrm- I think I have a violin/piano version of this along with the two violin sonatas he wrote, on Christophorus. Good recording (and lovely pieces, too :)) . Thanks for requesting and uploading that and the other recent scores! Eric 03:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

modifying the main page of a new score

Could someone please explain how to modify the first (imslp) page for a new score ? the modify function is shown very clearly for the second level page, not for the first. Thank you. User:Caprotti 14:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

not at all sure I understand. changing the title of the page as against the rest of the page (which requires that one move the page, not just edit it)? something else? Eric 12:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I mean : when you add a new work, the first mask asks for title, year of composition, dedication and so on. I'd like to know how to edit that kind of page.

User:Caprotti 14:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing the submission form is protected against editing except by admins - and even I would be very careful about it... there's stuff there that I want very much to remove (the genre is 'mandatory' stuff- we don't even "do" genre anymore, not in the same way.) Eric 14:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I checked- even I can't edit that form. well, I'll see what I can do! Eric 12:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

cello sonata no4 actually

for a list of Moór's works don't forget to check the excellent Stiftung page linked to from the Category- op76 is actually the 4th sonata after opp 22 (1st sonata), 52 and 53- and I didn't even check to include any unpublished works by him in the same time period :) Eric 12:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Omroep

Is Omroep more or less the same as the Royal Library (Catalogi & informatiediensten (Royal Library of the Netherlands))? Loads of stuff there (even not in locked press, as I think you specified) that I'd love to see scanned- they have an enviable collection :D I mention a few pieces in a sort-of-wishlist of things found in Hofmeisters in Category_talk:Nohr, Christian Friedrich - symphony op1, quartets op4, concertantes opp 3 and 10, string quintet op7- and today I find that almost all of them are at kb.nl (though perhaps in locked areas - will have to check. Anyhow, hrm. Just about convinced to create an account at Omroep myself and start requesting scores too. Anycase, thank you very much for all those recent contributions! Eric 15:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that Omroep and RLN are the same institution; anyway I was too worried to download everything and I didn't check deeply the catalogues of Omroep, RLN or other dutch libraries where I ordered some scores in the past. Let me finish the upload work and then I'll consider further investigations and possible orders to submit there (there are restrictions in the number of orders and there is a beginning date (I think first of september) for submission. (Caprotti)

Hi Capriotti. I would make one small request of you when you upload future files from this institution. It would be helpful, I think, to our users if you would mark any files which were scanned in color in the Misc. Notes field. This way, in the case where especially there are multiple versions of the same score (I noticed you did this with a Chevilliard piece), users will know what they're about to view and decide if they want to wait for the 20-odd megabytes worth of data to transfer rather than find out later that it's in color. What do you think about this? Regardless, THANK YOU for finding and uploading so many of these pieces. Many are not on IMSLP and are very rare (the Ropartz Divertissement and Tournemire Piano Quartet, Op. 15 are great examples that I have been unable to locate). Daphnis 03:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

In some examples I specified the words "colour scan", above all when it delt with duplicate copies. To be more precise, I avoided to upload scores that were exactly equal to those already in IMSLP (above all the scores that could duplicate the sibley's ones, already in colour and in better definition). The muziekschatten site doesn't handle feeds, I guess, so it's not very simple to check for future differences as we do for example with the BSB site. SBB has the same problem, if I'm not wrong. (Caprotti)

Use of "Restricted" in copyright field

Dear Caprotti,

The copyright field is limited to "public domain" or one of the Creative Commons or Performance Restricted licenses. Therefore, putting "restricted" in the field after you upload the piece just creates a red link. Röntgen died in 1932 so nothing is restricted in Canada unless it was actually never performed (unlikely), nor is anything restricted in the USA unless first published between 1923 and 2002. Anything never published might be protected in the EU due to editio princeps which is why we tagged it C for the EU, since we're not exactly sure which EU countries treat works this old like Canada (performance equals publication for determination of editio princeps eligibility). Thanks, Carolus 04:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

It was an excess of caution from my part, that's all. I was worried about possible downloads of works still under copyright. In Italy there is a very strict control on composers whose death is after 70 years back. (Caprotti)

Russian State Library

Hello, We now have a template you can use: {{RSL}}, which gives the result: RUS-Mrg . Ciao, Carolus 04:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Arrangers and Copyright

Hello again, You need to watch our for the arrangers' dates. For example Samazueilh and Inghelbrecht both died after 1961 (the latest date we can take on the Canada server). If you run across these fellows or others like them, you will need to upload to the USA server (see the forum for details), or have KGill, Daphnis, or Schissel upload them for you (all three are very familiar with the procedure, which I am not so familiar with). Thanks, Carolus 00:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

During my Rachmaninov uploads the page referring to the Cello Sonata op.19 ... disappeared. I don't know what happened !

(Caprotti)

The page is still at Cello Sonata, Op.19 (Rachmaninoff, Sergei) but is broken. Trying to fix it. Eric 17:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC) ah, I see. make sure your brackets are closed, please please!! you had {{FE} - that breaks not a little.

Very sorry. The syntak of the pages and of the scripts is sometimes rather tricky !

(Caprotti)

Brief note that I've moved the Inghelbrecht arrangement of Fauré's piece to the US server and made the appropriate adjustments. Daphnis 23:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Uploads published by Enoch or Durand

Hi Caprotti, thanks for your recent Sibley mirrors. If you wouldn't mind, please add the plate numbers for anything from Durand or Enoch to the respective publisher pages. I spent a lot of time going through the entire site and harvesting all the plate numbers for these, to the point where they are now considerable resources used by not just us but libraries and other publishers to date pieces. Keeping the list up to date ensures we are able to more accurately place future pieces within the collection. Thanks! Daphnis 01:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

La donna del lago

I take it you solved the problem of the PDFs retaining the full 160 MB size? (Steltz asked me if I had any advice.) I noticed the new files were already up on the site and have tagged them, removed the old versions as well as the talk page. Was there any other problem? Cheers Philip _{@ © talk} 23:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, no other problems. Caprotti

ThULB links

Hi Caprotti. I just noticed that while you have nicely been linking to ThULB for all of your uploads from there, you have been using the same page over and over again - something by Robert Volkmann, even for works not by him (here is an example). In the future, I would suggest using the template {{ThULB}} in the Scanner field; without specifying a number, it will just link to the generic front page to the collection, and you can specify the exact number of the item as well. Cheers, KGill _{talk email} 16:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Ooops sorry, I'd tried a generic THULB link between brackets but without success. I'll correct the error starting from the next upload.

Erm... This is still happening repeatedly. Eric 03:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Busoni Divertissement

Excuse me, Caprotti can you send me at gbellomia.94@gmail.com the solo part (only the solo) of Busoni's divertimento for flute and orchestra?? I'm praing you...

Hi Leges - I'm not Caprotti, but I should tell you that that file is blocked because it is under copyright in both the US and the EU, and would therefore be illegal to distribute through IMSLP (whose main corporate entity is located in the US). Private file sharing is against IMSLP policy because there is no way of verifying your location, and sending it would therefore pose a possible copyright violation. Thanks, KGill _{talk email} 19:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Manuscript scores and copyright

I noticed that my upload of Rossini's 'La gazzetta' is still bocked. Are there possible problems with manuscript scores? I think that a modern edition was printed by Ricordi for performances at the Rossini Opera Festival in Pesaro,but I should check. What about the upload of other manuscript scores from Internet Culturale, if the score has not (yet) been published in printed modern editions ? I know that the european laws partially protect a library copyright, when a title exist only in one manuscript or printed edition stored in a library, but that's not the case of other countries.

Caprotti

Hello,

It basically depends on how recently the full score of an opera was published. Since most (if not all) EU countries' editio princeps statutes provide a term of 25 years from publication for the new critical editions of the operas, the work itself is subject to copyright until that time is up (not just the edition, if I interpret correctly). In Canada, the copyright status of these works is partially dependent upon their being performed within the author's lifetime - which virtually all were, I believe, making them all PD there. US law is slightly more complex as from 1978 up through 2002, editio princeps law ensured that newly published works would be protected until 2049 - which is why that one opera is blocked until then (it was published in 2002). I have been trying to check the publication dates (if any) of all these operas and noticed that a couple of the works you uploaded had only been published very recently, sometimes within the last decade. Fortunately, if any of these were published after 2002 (I think one was published in 2007), they will only be subject to copyright protection in the EU, since the pertinent US law changed at that time to allow the work itself into the public domain.

If the score has never yet been published, then under US and Canadian law, the work is still public domain. It is slightly murkier in the EU, however: European libraries who put these manuscripts online may be able to claim rights of first publication for the works. It is uncertain whether they would actually do this, though, and the EU status for such files is accordingly marked as 'checked'. Cheers, KGill _{talk email} 14:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Omroep

Ah! Is musiekschatten the same as Omroep? (I think you already answered that in the forums perhaps- apologies...) Very tempting to make an account there, they have interesting, interesting scores (as one already knows from your downloads from them if they're the same thing, of course...) and importantly a growing instead of static collection... Eric 16:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC) ah, neat. I'm guessing they probably are... they even have Ingenhoven quartet no.2 In einem Satz - not the quartet no.3 I asked for on the wishlist but I don't know either work well enough to complain. Yes, I think I will sign up for one soon when they become available- September I think you did say. Thanks again... Eric 17:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

yes, they are the same. I hope they'll go on scanning, since I didn't see any improvement since the last (and unique) update. User:Caprotti

don't know why you blanked

a comment of yours- I think you may have been right. (Re Halm.) Eric 19:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC) (not sure though- a biographer of August Halm seems quite sure that he wrote a B♭ quartet and that it was published in 1903 by L&K, and that Halm mentions it, though not specifically enough, in his letters. Not sure where the Klassika page that refers to Anton Halm's opus 28 gets its information, at that- and there isn't an opus 28 on the L&K score, or anything but A.Halm on score or parts unfortunately. Anything to swing the pendulum one way the other?... Eric 21:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

PPNs for SBB

I think it is very convenient for the "end-user" if you fill these in... I realize this is just an opinion. Eric 05:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Page move

Always remember to include the category in a workpage move. Eric 18:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)